Sources for Zeitgeist Ambiguous
"Scholar" for part one Questionable
Acharya S. (meaning guru or teacher ) , begs the question right off the bat why she needs such a new age genderless and somewhat pretentious pseudonym or D.M. Murdock is the author of the Christ Conspiracy The Greatest Story ever Sold. Her book and theories largely are responsible for the claims made in the first section of the Zeitgeist Movie. References or historical facts to support the claims made in part one on comparative religions in Zeitgeist, are missing in the narrative. Interestingly, how is the book written by Murdock, The Greatest Story Ever Sold has a sarcastic twist on told to sold, implying its nothing more than a marketing ploy. Christ is presented as a myth, best case , and a downright lie, in the worst case, created from a conglomerate of ancient religions for a nefarious end: control.The movie presents that Christ is a fallacy, in a fast passed account, without citing credible references , presented as indisputable fact, not theory that Christ , boiled down to its simplest form, really represents the sun. Yes , you read that right the sun and his disciples are the stars. In fact, the first paragraph from its online Companion Source Guide, created no doubt as a response from the Truth seeking community for references to back her claims, shows an image of a setting sun, with the caption The Greatest Story Ever Told. Murdock writes,
1. "This is the sun. As far back as 10,000 B.C., history is abundant with carvings and writings reflecting people’s respect and adoration for this object." (1)
reinforcing instantly , if you thought that you were getting it right after viewing the Zeitgeist movies implication that Jesus Christ was really the sun, not Thee Son, you were right.
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| Peter Joseph (withholds his last name and these two names may not be real either) creator of the zeitgeist film series and the Movement. This is a Charismatic man, be not deceived ! |
The Zeitgeist director , Peter Joseph informs his readers in the companion guide that part one of his movie, on the controversial subject of Christianity is, based on "historical data". He informs his readers :
“The Greatest Story Ever Told” presents historical data relating to the astronomi- cal/astrological origins of the Judeo-Christian theology (which can be extended to Islam as well), along with the understanding that these respective stories, beliefs & traditions are really an adaptation-extension of prior Pagan beliefs. (1)
After viewing the film I went searching on line for the references to those historical facts or "data"so bluntly missing from the film, when I found the site truthbeknown.com/zeitgeistsource. This is the best I have found. Murdock's own site and article …… link for sources was broken at the time of this writing, in the same paragraph where she refutes the allegations of sloppy work in Skeptics Mangles Zietgeist (and Religious History) by Acharya S aka D. M. Murdock . Murdock writes
"It is a curious fact that writers who toss around the words "sloppy," "garbled" and "nonsense" are often guilty of these very things themselves. "(4)
A broken link on ones own website , is sloppy at best. Check it out for yourself click on sources and this is what you will see :
404 (Page Not Found) Error - Ever feel like you're in the wrong place?
The thruthbeknowen ( Murdocks site ) is not a scholarly bibliography at all , nor any source site that one can reference, certainly not the serious scholar. It reads:
"Contrary to popular misconception, the information in the religion part of the hit Internet movie, the first "Zeitgeist" film comes from numerous primary sources, including the following, as well as the works of highly credentialed authorities in the best academic publications, also listed here. It should be noted that this list does not include the multitude of other artifacts and writings from antiquity that may be found in the other works of D.M. Murdock/Acharya S. (3) (italics added)
and then the list begins
Primary Sources, Publications and Scholars Cited in The ZEITGEIST Sourcebook
Ancient artifacts and archaeological sites
Lascaux, Altamira and Trois Freres cave paintings
Tassili N'Aijer figures
Mohenjo-daro,
Indus Valley site Goseck,
Germany Thirteen Towers,
Chankillo,
Peru
Nabta Playa,
Egypt
Karanovo Tablet
Dendera zodiac and other Egyptian artifacts
Brindisi disk Greek pottery,
paintings, mosaics, temples Roman mosaics, paintings and statuary Early Christian artifacts, etc.
Murdock does research in a variety of languages, both modern and ancient, such as: Ancient and modern Greek, Latin, Hebrew, Sanskrit, Vedic, Persian, Egyptian, Coptic, French, Italian, Spanish, German and a smattering of other languages as the need arises.
Ancient Writings
Egyptian hymns,
hieroglyphs, papyri and carvings
Pyramid Texts Coffin Texts Book of the Dead
Herodotus
Berossus
Diodorus
Porphyry
Eusebius
Pausanias
Bible
Pythagoras
Plato
Aristotle
Diodorus
Siculus
Epiphanius
Hippolytus
Plutarch
Tertullian
Justin Martyr
Minucius Felix
Clement Alexandrinus
Tatian
Augustine
Arnobius
Julius Firmicus Maternus
Lactantius
Macrobius
Julian
Vedas
Mahabharata Bhagavad Gita Bhagavata
Purana
Mahāvastu Lalita Vistara
Vishnu Purana
Hesiod
Homer
Euripides
Proclus
Origen
Celsus
Philo
Josephus
Avesta
Pseudo-Eratosthenes
Venerable Bede
Cyprian
Ambrose
Hipparchus
Archelaus Epic of Gilgamesh Assyrian, Babylonia, Akkadian tablets
Dead Sea Scrolls
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| A Dead sea scroll housed in the Museum in Jerusalem |
To be topped off with the vague statement :
"The information also comes from the best and most thorough, scholarly and modern sources wherever possible, with the result that many authorities cited possess credentials from respected institutes of higher learning, and their publishers are some of the most scholarly in English (and other languages), such as the following."
This is laughable to anyone who does research and relies on sources to check the claims, theories and allegations of a writer. This list does not allow anyone ( I contend it is humanly impossible ) to to reference or pursue the source of Murdocks claims and therefore Zeitgeist in its entirety . We see the author listed, never the book from the volumes of material produced by these admittedly great minds and scholars produced from history and certainly not the page reference. The Dead Sea Scrolls are referenced in their entirety when about 15,000 fragments and more than 500 manuscripts were found. The complete bible is listed. She goes to the extreme to even list the Vedas, which one? your guess.
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| Manuscripts from one of the four Vedas |
What exactly was referenced? How can one go back and read for oneself the material to validate these extreme findings? Never matter that it is impossible to know when the Vedas, Bible or Dead Sea Scrolls are sited in the film series on comparative religion. (On a side note, Murdock does not cite these references in her book, she relies heavily on Walker, Massey, Wayless) Is Murdock suggesting that she has read all of these works? Could anyone read the entire collection of all the authors listed above? Visit the archaeological sites and countries that Murdock cited? She lists Peru and Egypt, tombs? the Nile? What cities? Giza or Subra al-Haymah or maccu picho ( Is it possible with limited time and funds ?) It is questionable if it is even humanly possible , ( I contend it is not) it is too much, however to expect of a serious layman wishing to pursue the validity of Murdock's claims , hence Zeitgeists premise that all religion is nothing short of a fraud .
Further more, how is one to source the "best and most thorough scholarly and modern sources" or "respected institutions of higher learning and their publishers"? One can not. The vagueness of these statements are shameful! What professor would accept those statements as citations for your research? My 13 year old in middle school is being taught to CITE YOUR SOURCES , if she cited that she used "modern sources" and publishers of higher learning and that she visited Peru and Egypt, the middle school teacher would be correcting her ridiculous attempt to get around the work of creating a reference for her paper.
Murdock cites more, check it out for yourself , but you get the point. truthbeknown.com/zeitgeistsource. Yet it was this lack of references that lead me to the conclusion that Murdock’s book was at the core of the claims found in the Zietgeist movie. As Murdock herself says in one of her numerous videos… the film has gone viral! And yes, Murdock alludes that she has in fact read all the materials above, has digested it and figured it out. In her source book companion guide she gives a message to the readers:
"In this day and age, it is obvious that many people are not inclined or available timewise to read large tomes of scholarly writings in order to “fig- ure it all out.” This fact of time-constraint as well as difficulty in subject matter is the major reason “ZEITGEIST” was so successful in the first place, as it provided a short and easily digestible summary of the issue at hand: To wit, the origins of some of our most cherished religious ideas." (1)
Well Guru, I'm inclined and have the time but I contend that it is impossible. If on the other-hand you actually sourced the material in a scholarly manner, that is, make a statement and then footnote it with the author, page number , publisher etc...(now in Murdocks book , this is done, but again Plato, Dead Sea Scrolls, Vedas, Homer in fact NONE of the sources listed above are found in her book The Christ Conspiracy, the primary source for part One of the Zeitgeist movie! We do however find free mason Albert Pike and occultist Helena Blavatsky
Wanting to learn more about the primary source materials used in the Zeitgeist film, I promptly went to Amazon and three days later my package arrived The Greatest Story ever Sold (great play on words admittedly) .This is my journey into her claims. It is vital that they be understood. Why? This is the aeon of a Truth movement in an age of awakening at the same time it is under global control of a powerful self serving elite. This control has been in place for hundreds, if not thousand of years and it is only now, as far as we know, that man , collectively is becoming aware of his prisoner status.
This is truly a remarkable time to be living. Within seconds information is translated across the globe and shared. Gone are the days of literacy being held in the care of the few. Books that took years to scribe, the illiterate poor are a thing of the past , books in European nations once only available in Greek or Latin, such as the Bible, these days are gone . Information is everywhere. Within minutes I can click and pay for a hard to find book on Amazon, download E-books, watch educational videos, here collage lectures... education is no longer not available to the masses , as it once was.The truth is being revealed.
Murdock and the Zeitgeist movies,(three) particularly those about the claims of Christ (911 and banking issues seems to be well researched and are based largely on facts that anyone can research to come to a similar conclusion.) as those who hold the power and control would and have disseminated disinformation for its own ends. However, it is blatantly clear that there is an agenda to do away with Christ , as the second film address the same subject matter. Now that the zeitgeist has been converted into a movement, it does not take much to see that one of the steps, after joining...signing up for e-mails initially, is to rid oneself of the phony belief system of Christianity. It is alluded that this has been indirectly a leading cause of war, hunger and human suppressed development both spiritually and especially when it come to technology.
At first I wanted to give Peter Joseph a way out... I really have to admit that I liked him...allot. Watching the videos of him, I found him concise, intelligent... he just made sense and I found that he appeared to be a man albeit handsome an artist/musician living in New York, who could be well....trusted. See the mini doc below "who is Peter Joseph?"
I have never had this feeling for Murdock. Her self serving book selling arrogance makes it hard for me to read her words or listen to her via video or radio. ( I do it because I am called to do so ) I thought maybe Peter made simply a bad call when he solicited Murdock , supposedly at the last minute as a consultant for part one of his movie. I thought maybe he was lead astray even in faulty academia , he certainly has lost follows as a result of her lack of professionalism and shoddy work. However, he has persisted to endorse the thesis that Christ is a myth, that he really is the son, his disciples nothing more than zodiac representations and to hold on 'blindly' to these belief systems holds us back from unity, from feeding the hungry in the world and global peace. Who doesn't want social change of this magnitude ? But why does it have to include sheding ones beleif in Jesus Christ?
Murdock and the Zeitgeist movies,(three) particularly those about the claims of Christ (911 and banking issues seems to be well researched and are based largely on facts that anyone can research to come to a similar conclusion.) as those who hold the power and control would and have disseminated disinformation for its own ends. However, it is blatantly clear that there is an agenda to do away with Christ , as the second film address the same subject matter. Now that the zeitgeist has been converted into a movement, it does not take much to see that one of the steps, after joining...signing up for e-mails initially, is to rid oneself of the phony belief system of Christianity. It is alluded that this has been indirectly a leading cause of war, hunger and human suppressed development both spiritually and especially when it come to technology.
At first I wanted to give Peter Joseph a way out... I really have to admit that I liked him...allot. Watching the videos of him, I found him concise, intelligent... he just made sense and I found that he appeared to be a man albeit handsome an artist/musician living in New York, who could be well....trusted. See the mini doc below "who is Peter Joseph?"
I have never had this feeling for Murdock. Her self serving book selling arrogance makes it hard for me to read her words or listen to her via video or radio. ( I do it because I am called to do so ) I thought maybe Peter made simply a bad call when he solicited Murdock , supposedly at the last minute as a consultant for part one of his movie. I thought maybe he was lead astray even in faulty academia , he certainly has lost follows as a result of her lack of professionalism and shoddy work. However, he has persisted to endorse the thesis that Christ is a myth, that he really is the son, his disciples nothing more than zodiac representations and to hold on 'blindly' to these belief systems holds us back from unity, from feeding the hungry in the world and global peace. Who doesn't want social change of this magnitude ? But why does it have to include sheding ones beleif in Jesus Christ?
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